Scripted over 5000 yrs ago, the Naadi documents the lives of the whole human race on planet earth. A feat accomplished by sages who gained clairvoyance through ‘Siddhi’. The sheer enormity of this effort was mind boggling when I first heard about it — palm leaves for every human being on this planet, past present and future !
I originally thought Naadi Shastra was relevant only for people of indian origin. Palm leaves only for people born in the land of sages and seers. Soon I had to reverse my thinking, when I heard from my Naadi astrologer that they had retrieved leaves for people from, what we today call, Japan, Germany, USA and more. How equitable to include the entire human race as beneficiaries of our ancestors’ siddhi, I thought.
Naadi means to go in search of, to seek. It is said that you will go seeking your naadi if/when you are destined to go seeking it. Whenever it is the ‘right’ time. If you do go prematurely, the naadi astrologers will likely be unsuccessful in retrieving your Naadi. Not as easy as a google search, for sure! No glitzy advertising. No propagandas encouraging folks to seek their Naadi. But, as the Naadi astrologer said, if your time has come you WILL come to know about it, and you will come looking for it on your own accord.
The two places I know of as being authentic store-houses of Naadis are in Tambaram (a suburb of Chennai) and Vaitheeswaran Kovil (close to the Chidambaram Temple) in Tamilnadu. There’s history about how and why only members of a certain lineage are custodians of these aged/fragile manuscripts. Also, there are many astrologers/middlemen claiming to provide Naadi reading services, many of whose authenticity may be questionable. They typically ask for the thumb impression to be mailed in, so they may retrieve your Naadi and mail back your details as documented in the Naadi. I chose to take the up-close-and-personal approach and go to the source. I had mine retrieved in Tambaram. The chance of one’s Naadi not being retrievable is a real possibility – either because it is not the ordained moment, or the leaves are physically stored in another location etc etc. Roadblocks manifest themselves in mysterious ways!
As I drove to the Tambaram house, I could not help wonder, among other questions that raced through my mind, how the Naadi readers for generations sustained themselves from a seemingly erratic profession, and that too sans proactive marketing. So, while waiting for mine to be retrieved, I chatted with some of the assistants hanging around. They seemed far from concerned about sustenance — with undeterred faith in the grace of their family deity thus far, they seem to have unquestioningly surrendered to the service of divine calling.
Just the preservation, archival and storage of the zillion palm leaves should be a mind-boggling challenge in itself. Not any less challenging is retrieving the one that’s written for you! Being able to find my particular Naadi buried among a stash, of heaven knows how many, sounded like mission impossible. But they have their methodology. They take your thumb impression — apparently your past, present, future is recorded somewhere in those patterns. Based on that, they go looking for the palm leaves that fall into the defined category of patterns. The basis of this categorization is still a mystery to me. The reader came out with a stash of palm leaves — presumably, of all those people in that category, but with differing time/date of birth. Isn’t a thumb impression supposed to be unique? – it seemed not; and that would defy the legality of thumb imprinting that’s still practiced today. The details in each of the Naadis would be different based on the symbiosis of the thumb impression AND the date/time of birth. So what was the probability of somebody having a similar thumb impression AND same date/time of birth as mine, I wondered. But I didn’t dare to interrupt. Thereafter, it was a process of elimination of the palm leaves that were not relevant to me. They did this by isolating one Naadi at a time from the stash at hand, and asking a series of questions. Questions are triggered from, what I rationalized as, a preface in the Naadi at hand. e.g. Does your mother’s name start with a P. Do you have xxx siblings. Were you born in the month of xxx.? And many more. Responses to the questions are typically expected to be a “yes” or a ‘no”. Confirmation of a set of data points through your responses, enable them to zoom into the Naadi that is relevant to you and you alone. A “no” to any of the questions, disqualifies the particular palm-leaf at hand and is put away to be rearchived.
The process continued until they declared Eureka ! Once the Naadi was identified they started the reading process. The introductory lines basically spelt out descriptors – so details such as your name, date of birth, place of birth, parents’ name, grandparents name and so on – sure to leave anybody dumbstruck in the moment. Subsequent stanzas/lines/paragraphs (or however the formatting of the bygone era is described) described details about my current life and brief references to my past life. I felt a surge of very mixed emotions as he rattled off brief aspects of my past life as a princess, and the grief I had caused to people of my land. Therefore I was born again. I was thankful that I was a human being in my past life as well, vs. another species further down in the pyramid of intellectual and spiritual evolution.
I saw this process as an exercise in pattern recognition/pattern matching in its primitive form, with no technological influences whatsoever to facilitate the process. It can take anywhere from a few hours to a day to just get to the right one, assuming your Naadi is indeed at the location you are visiting. Once it is found, the reading can take another 2-3 hours — or longer, if you decide to go beyond the general reading and delve into all 13 chapters. Details about you are recorded across 13 chapters, each chapter dedicated to a particular aspect — family life, business, health, past life etc. The last chapter is dedicated to describing specific ‘pariharams’ or a ‘prescription’ to correct the imbalances in your current life engendered by karma from past life. The assumption is that every single human being is born only because she/he has sinned in his/her past life/lives and has to endure life again as retribution. Good and bad occurrences in your current life are a direct result of karmic influences. The ‘pariharams” may be seen as a short cut to eliminate/mitigate debit balances of sorts J. And the prescribed pariharams vary in their shapes and sizes. It’s like personalized medicine J. It could be anything from, say, lighting a lamp for one of the Navagrahas on a specified day of every week, for 6 months……to visiting XYZ temple and making the specified donations to the presiding deity…..to serving food for a specified number of poor people….and the list can go on.
In my case, there were 2 temples that were spelt out very descriptively. And one of them was somewhere out there in the boonies that I hadn’t even remotely heard of, or would ever have, but for the Naadi experience. Traveling through rugged terrain to get there was quite an experience. Another temple I visited as part of the pariharam was in the early hours of the morning of Dec. 26, 2004. The temple was a mile or so away from the shores. For no logical reasons, I along with other family members, was led to the sanctum sanctorums within the huge temple premises/courtyard, not once or twice but thrice. By different temple staff and for varying reasons. In hind sight, I saw this as an invisible and divine restraint from venturing beyond, what I rationalized as, protected range. A divine calling to remain within the temple premise and not commence our drive back through the coastal regions that were experiencing the fury of the water Goddess – exactly at the time that we were in the temple premises.
Besides, I had made elaborate plans to explore nearby Poompuhar on the way out, the historic town on the estuary of Kaveri. As we broke our fast that morning at a local haunt, the friendly waiters got chatting and said there was nothing much to see in Poompuhar and I was a little agitated with what I thought was their illiteracy. (I read later that this once important trading port was destroyed by what might have been a Tsunami about 1500 years ago. (An article of interest — http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2005/07/08/stories/2005070800680300.htm ). Other family members who were keeping tabs on the already delayed departure (as a result of the prolonged darshan) saw this as an opportunity to skip this leg of the trip and head back, which we eventually did after much debate. I was not a happy camper then. As we walked back to the hotel, our driver said we need to head out soon as the village was getting flooded. We dismissed it as unwarranted panic as the sun was up and there was no sign of rain. So we took our time to check out and finally hit the road. It was weird to see a never ending line of village men, women and children walking with suitcases, some with television sets on their head along the road – almost looked like mass migration! We were still quite not sure what was happening until we turned on the radio to learn of a massive flooding situation at the Marina Beach in Chennai and other coastal regions of Tamilnadu. It was not until we arrived in Chennai and saw visual images of the destruction that we realized the magnitude of the incident and our miraculous journey into and through the ravaged regions. As for Poompuhar, never mind that I was unable to see the ruins of the Dutch fort and other historical footprints there. It was not spared from the tsunami that morning. I owe much for the seeming illiteracy of the waiters at the village restaurant that triggered the deviation from plan. Every once in a while angels come by our paths, unrecognizable in the moment most of the time — to guide, to lead, to sometimes define what we only later realize as life-altering moments. Some experiences, in hind sight, leave you wondering about a sequence of events/activities that led up to it….why and how something (good or bad) happened….why we chose path A vs. path B…..was it a coincidence or was it pre-ordained? After the Naadi experience you start questioning if anything is really in your control. I certainly did.
The Naadi astrologer read the script (an incomprehensible dialect of Tamil) from the palm leaf and then translated it in vernacular Tamil. I presume they have translation services in English. As part of the service, after the reading was completed, they transcribed the Naadi details on to a book, recorded the details on to a tape and handed them to me before drawing the curtains on this episode of my life. If I were to get a tape today, I’d probably want to get it digitized to mp3, rather than have to buy a tape player!
The chapter on “Pariharam” most often describes a “guru dakshina” for the Naadi reader, spelling out the compensation — and most often this is asked to be done after the pariharams have been fulfilled. Now I saw how our forefathers had secured the livelihood of generations of Naadi astrologers! My concerns about their sustenance were superfluous after all.
Whether fulfilling the prescribed pariharams mitigated anything untoward that might have happened/could happen had I NOT done it, I will never know. What mattered was the fact that I embarked on the Naadi mentally resolved to fulfill the prescription — and my rationalization was very simple. EVEN if executing the pariharams fail to correct whatever imbalances I am supposedly born to endure, even if it fails to manifest obviously apparent ROI, visiting a temple surely cannot do any harm. So why not?
I’ve heard that some folks accept good news wholeheartedly, but challenge bad news and the authenticity of the Naadi simply because they do not like what they hear. All I can say is it comes as a package, and is not for the meek hearted. If you are unable to go through it objectively, you’d rather not go — it’s your own choice anyway.
I headed back from the Tambaram house thinking I must return to delve more into the chapter that elaborates on my past life. It was both fascinating and mysterious. It kindled a desire to go on an expedition to pry into [what they referred to as] my previous incarnation. Venture back in time and perhaps discover, among other things, fractured self-portraits along the way, on the broken walls of some obscure castle ruins!! Boy, what a journey THAT would be !!!
This is very interesting. It kind of fascinates me. Next time I make a trip to India I’m definitely going to try this out.
Very interesting.
I too question how much of our lives are controlled by us. It makes me take a back-seat more often, and stops me from looking at things as something that I effect. It’s not a pleasant thought to imagine all my efforts as being no more than care-taking!
Dear Shekhar/Kavitha,
I lived the first 18yrs of my life in the religious town of Hardwar(that’s how I attended 2 Kumbh’s) – studied in DPS, a prestigious school, and had a very stable life, a small happy Punjabi family (often walking along the Ganges and eating the tastiest mangoes). I encountered religion from close quarters and was often overwhelmed, but it helped me get an objective perspective on it. In the next 14 years life went totally berserk and now I have now been to over 20 countries and lived in 6 across 4 continents.
This has made me really wonder if all this was planned for me – stable initial years and then massive travel, and whether I am the reincarnation of somebody who maybe had this unfulfilled desire of travel in that life. I often resort to believing that this is my destiny, but the question for me and also for everyone is that why is this my destiny or your destiny? Can Naadi Shastra explain it based on the lives we lived before i.e. is this life path already pre-decided?
There are people in Hardwar who can not only tell about previous lives but also what you’ll be in the next life. They say in common lingo “Sab likha hua hai” – Being exposed to so many of these astrologers/pundits I have often not believed them, but often times they say very correct things and I do want to believe them. I would love to know my previous life – all the good and bad, and I am sure each one of us will only grow wiser by knowing the details.
Now that I have learnt the details of Naadi Shasta from this column I am very interested to go find my Naadi but I do have this question:
Do you think it is it right for us to know the future (this life or next life) or should life be lived as it comes?
A question for Kavitha. How will I come to know that my time has come to go find my Naadi? Would love to know your thoughts?
Regards,
Himanshu – New York
Interesting…can you please provide the address of this Tambaram house, or is it easy enough to find?
Cheers
Rashmi
Dear Shekhar,
How accurate did you find the readings for your present life? I had read that the famous UG. Krishnamurti had his Nadi reading and it was very accurate and the Nadi readers were also very surprised and in awe when they read his readings about when he will attain enlightment, even though he did not believe much in astrology at that time.
Your wonderful post has tempted me to get my reading done. But i wonder how was the accuracy for you overall…
My experience with the Naadi leaves thing has been totally opposite of what the author writes here. I too was intrigued by stories of how they can rattle names of your relatives by just looking at the leaf identified from your thumb print. So, I decided to check it for myself. Lured by the adverts these people give, I went to their dingy office in Vakola, Mumbai. Sure enough, after searching for my thumbprint in the leaves they had, one guy came up with a bundle of leaves and ushered me inside his cabin. There, he opened the bundle of ancient looking leaves (long wooden sticks with writings) and started asking me questios. Actually, he was making clever statements which were neither exact questions nor were they statements. So, if he said, “you are so and so many brothers and sisters” or “you are married” and if you tell him yes to any answer, he would start grinning as if saying “see, I told you so” and if I answered in the negative, he would move on to the next question as if he is tring to search for my leaf. All he was trying to do was some guesswork. Out of 10 statements he made to confirm with me, 6 were wrong. Then he offered to make my horoscope with my date, time and place of birth. But when I informed him that I did not come here for my horoscope analysis but only for my Naadi leaf and I could make his horoscope and analyse it for him if he wanted, he said that they would have to send my thumbprint to their village near Chennai to search for my leaf.
They said they would call me within the next 10-15 days when they have found my leaf. It has been more than 20 days since I visited them and I haven’t heard from them since. And these Vakola guys are not the only ones who advertise about their Naadi Astrology in the papers. There are some folks in Chembur and also in Sion, who claim to have your Naadi leaves, who advertise regularly in the main newspapers in the city.
Bottomline is, that according to my personal experience, it’s a racket……all crap. Don’t fall for it.
Cheers!
Navin
I have never been to the Naadi, but have come close so often that it can only be that my ‘time had not come’. But in all honesty I have to say that some people who’s presence of mind and judgement I completely trust have been, and have come away overwhelmed. As I am sure that people like Navin have had an opposing experience.
But then for every true astrologer, every true Guru, every true faith healer, there are thousands that will con you. The point is – are you going to test the truth behind it, or are you going in faith ?
There was a reason people built temples in remote inaccesible places like tops of mountains. The effort required to get there instills the right faith, the right attitude and the establishes the longing. Maybe the right time is when the longing builds to a point that you have to understake a masive journey of faith and search ?
Shekhar
I just checked out this article about a person’s experinece with Naadi. The questions that this person was asked would have only been valid in the current time frame i.e. if he went earlier many question would have irrelevant. Therefore, the Naddi leaves have not only been written a thousand years in advance, but they are also supposed to be read out to you when your appointment comes. This is almost magical – like a order given by god to go find out our destiny. Like Shekhar said I currently don’t feel the longing for the trek, but I’ll wait for god’s indicator.
Enjoy this 3 part article about a person’s Naddi experience:
http://www.astrologycom.com/naadi1.html
Thanks,
Himanshu – NYC
“The point is – are you going to test the truth behind it, or are you going in faith ?”
Exactly! That’s what I learnt from my Guru, Osho Rajneesh. Blind faith can be as brittle as a hard twig. Real faith is only when you have first doubted and questioned and then established the truth beyond all doubts. That kind of faith will be unshakeable and will last a lifetime. The strongest Aastiks (believers) are the ones who were formerly Naastiks (skeptics). The people who never had the intelligence to question and doubt……..their faith will always be brittle.
I’m reminded of the story of Dayanand Saraswati. Swami Dayanand Saraswati, an ardent Vedantist once saw a mouse crawl over a Shivaling and eat the Prasad lying there. Doubts arose in his mind – Is God so impotent that he cannot brush aside even a mouse from his body? Dayanand soon lost all faith in murtis (idols) and founded the Arya Samaj – a society vehemently opposed to murti puja (idol worship).
Dayanand’s faith must have been quite shaky already, for it broke with such a small incident. If a person loses faith by such a small incident can he be termed great? If he was a true believer, he could have also thought that the Lord had accepted the Prasad kept by the devotees there in the form of a mouse. After all, the mouse is supposed to be the mount of Ganesha, the son of Lord Shiva. 🙂
It was only to test the truth for myself that I took the time and trouble to go to the Naadi guys personally. But I came back disappointed. But I have an open mind still. If tomorrow some other Naadi practitioner is able to startle me with facts about me which nobody else knows, then I might still believe in it.
For those who have come back satisfied, I just want them to make sure that the answers they got from the Naadi practitioner were not actually told by themselves during the question-answer session.
Cheers!
Navin
dude…
Astrology is a mystic science.
a true astrologer has a GIFT of foreseeing certain things in either direction- past or future. (yes even looking into past is foreseeing…)
It is entirely based on LOGIC. the cosmic logic so to say. at times its INTUITIVE. but in larger scope even an intuition has cause behind it.
it is a mystic science of east. very similar to witchcraft or magic of west.
the main difference is that while witchcraft or magic was used for some benefit in materialistic terms, astrology was used as a tool to correct past mistakes and make one’s life less troublesome and hence prosperous. thus astrology essentially deals with CLEARING karmas.
some where down the line the society lost this basic pure intention and thus astrology became the tool of cons!!!
so while going to any astrologer one has to honestly ask oneself what exactly he wants???
thus, as Shekhar said- when longing builds to a point that one has to take on a massive arduous journey…
only then and only then ASTROLOGY will help one.
it is a dangerous tool and has to be used only as a light in the dark path and not for materialistic benefit..otherwise the whole purpose is lost and it becomes useless.
Astrology is a scientific name of Black Magic… we can call it White magic…hence a mystic science….and though mystic ultimately a science and hence has its own LIMITATIONS…!!!
one can break the laws if he wishes to, only thing is that one has to pay a price…the law of nature is not like a local police…( 50 rs le aur matter settle kar de Mamu…)..but thats about an astrologer…
a commoner who visits must keep one thing in mind…if the point of no return has come only and only then one should visit today’s any astrologer…all are FAKES!!!
its a DEAD language and its hard to find a true astrologer today…and if one has an eye to notice one, he certainly doesn’t need one…rest is ticking endlessly…
take care…tata…kedar…
Rashmi, at this moment, i am unable to access the address of the tamabram one I went to…but a quick google search shows the address to be: Agastya Nadi Nilayam, 36 New State Bank Colony, West Tambaram, Chennai 600 045. I’d have to verify that with my record at home base.
Himanshu, the unelaborated answer (to the question you posed to me) is that it would be hard to know when your right time is before the [f]act….note: i did not say impossible. Perhaps clairvoyance can enable that foresight, in which case you wouldn’t need to seek your Naadi anyway, i would think? Plannning, forecasting and scheduling techniques have a marginalised role here:-) There are many paths to every destination and each has its own routes, detours, roadblocks, speedbreakers, and re-fuel points. Whether and when you can get to the destination is a function of alignment – of your desire to get there and all the other elements in the chosen path.
I am not qualified to philosophise about the Naadi’s validity and whether one should or should not believe in it. But i will say that every diamond will have a zirconium. It takes a trained intellect/discriminating mind to isolate a diamond from the rubble of zirconiums and recognise its organic virtues. One can choose to appreciate or not appreciate a diamond — that’s a matter of personal preference/bias. One can also choose to be skeptical about its luminary virtues and authenticity — but that does not make a diamond any less of a diamond. It is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less. Irrespective of whether it is showcased in a museum, a castle or a dingy hut. One just has to continue to get enlightened towards a discriminating mind. And discriminating experiences that enable you to evolve.
kavitha
Hi Kavitha,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Your article is really enlightening and I’m sure you benefited from this unique experience. Did you meet any people from the western world on your journey i.e. the ones who knew nothing about Naadi astrology to start with, but something just brought them there?
Best Wishes,
Himanshu
Fascinating, Ravi Swami. That the Naadi might be an organic, living thing. But why not ultimately expressed as writings on leaves ? The process of the search is a living organic being, that is fluid and is so fluid that it does not confine you to logical steps to egt anywhere.
But when you search for, as we all do when we get there, for definitions in moments of time and moments of space – the palm leaves provide yu wth that definition, so the potential has become a reality through your need for definition.
Hmm … interesting. Thanks for the provocative question.
Shekhar
Hi Kavitha,
Thanks for the address, I will certainly go after the Naadi, when “I’m ready for it” I guess..
…yes…it made me think just now, having read your response, that it’s a bit like the reverse of dreams – occasionally, in a dream, you may encounter something which is symbolic – a signpost which might be read as having a meaning in the non dream state.
Maybe the writings on leaves are a tangible manifestation of something intangible and fluid, which can only be accessed via a physical conduit like the leaves…& the intervention of thought ?
I saw an interesting film a while back, Dave McKeans’ “Mirrormask” – where someone enters a dream universe and searches for signs or symbols to unlock a mystery in her waking state – so maybe that’s what I am hinting at…in the film it’s expressed as her drawings on bits of paper.
shit shit shit…
ravi swami…15 days back in one of brain storming sessions with my writer friend, i had a similar idea…
a small time office clerk has a gift… he can create illusions and physically enter them…and they are beautiful like Neverland…
so every day at lunch time while others are busy eating and discussing mundane issues…this guy would go in the office balcony and would create fantastic illusion and would enter it..
and then certain things happen where his illusionary world helps him to solve his real life problem…
well…any ways when time comes i will develop it further and my expression would be certainly different…hmm…but after all not so original i guess… 🙂 fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
but i will see this ‘Mirrormask’ now…
if you know any similar kind of films pls tell me…
Himanshu, I presume by “people from the western world” you meant people of non-indian origin from the west? Haven’t personally met any who went, but was told the naadi was retrieved for a few such. It would be an interesting exercise of academic curiosity to trace their genealogy — they must have some spiritual connection from their past lives perhaps with India and things indian? I know several people who stripping themselves of their respective cultural identities, have immersed themselves with India. Beyond tandoori, taj mahal, bollywood or bangra. With values and philosophies Indian. Have never been able to comprehend the genesis of such allegiance. It’s got to be something deeper than loyalties creditable to “Incredible India!” ?
dude…
something made me type http://www.intentblog.com today…
few months back i visited that site and hated it to my guts…i found it one chaotic digital Katta (Katta is a slang word used for hang out places)
but today i visited it and found it a SNESIBLE katta .
there is an article by Mr Deepak Chopra…
WHY DID I DO THAT? …the title of his blog entry…where he talks about reasoning normally people give to themselves to justify their acts.
INTENTION is the word for that…
the last line of that blog entry is ‘ it remains the mystery of human evolution… and we must respect that…’
very amazing statement by Deepak…we must respect that…
i feel once we start respecting, we become humble and the very process leads us to deeper corners of our mind and tells us INTENTIONS behind our every action…it happens naturally…this is meditation…
action- of body, of mouth(speech) and of mind (thoughts)……there is intention behind every action…
the deepest and true intention is the urge to be ONE with the ONE! or say to be what we really are!… to become GOD…to dissolve…!!!
but we cant see,feel, sense that intention all the time and hence the misery…the moment we start seeing, feeling and sensing that one INTENTION then naturally our every action becomes selfless and ego shatters…
why mystics are seen dancing and singing all the time? are they not ashamed of their torn clothes or are they not ashamed of some one calling them mad? ….why would they be? they know its all part of ONE and only compassion fills their heart and they start singing and dancing…!!!
lets dance and sing…earth is too beautiful…lets dance and sing in our own way…scientists may calculate but let it be a dance..painter may paint but let it be a song…driver may drive but let it be free flowing like a self less river…
some times i watch Mechanics doing their jobs silently as if they are romancing with a car, with a machine…they are silently dancing…i have yet to see anxiety ridden mechanic…
lets dance and sing in silence…and then WHY WE DID THAT?…….wont remain…WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO? will remain…
we have ruined our souls for too long…the world is too beautiful…lets dance and sing!!!
I guess even “Mirrormask” is not particularly original as a premise – eg “Alice through the looking glass” – but then I suspect having a dying mother as central to the story in a fantasy might have been too much for the Victorian reader…which is what lifts it above the usual fantasy story (& Dave McKeans art direction…)
Speaking of coincidences / having the same idea, don’t worry too much about this – although it bugs the hell out of me too – synchronicity is another thing which is both fascinating and irritating since it’s happened to me on several occasions and I can’t understand how it could be useful…I suspect it is all too common…
Most recently a friend asked me to pitch an idea to him (about 3 weeks ago…) – it was about a group of ordinary people who have super powers, but who must, for all intents and purposes, remain totally “ordinary” – no fancy costumes, – he thought it was great and urged me to develop it. A week later I found out about “Heroes” – the new hit U.S series with pretty much the same premise (& boasting a South Indian actor in a key role, and starting off in “Madras”, episode #1), via someones blog.
The idea is SO similar to “mine” that I thought it was weird, and I had no prior knowledge of the show at all – annoyingly the show had already been made, making my pitch pretty much a non-starter….
Kedar , you have captured a very difficult thing in words in our post.
Wonderful.
If intentions of people were percievable , the earth would be a heaven. All of our history and economics is based on limited communication..
there would be no more suspicion or speculation , we would see eachother’s intent clear as daylight and i guess life would then be just as you described – song and dance , i guess you mean a ‘celebration’.
but then othe flip side would be : the world would also be a boring place , no drama , no expectations , no lover would write expectant poems , i would see shekhar and would see his future movies in his head straight off – he would be out of business – and venture capitalists would see my future technology inventions and say , baaaah dnt worry about it , and i woould read what they think and probably wont do my science , all of us would be just tapping our fingers….
my new theory :
maybe thats the intention of ‘god’ – maybe this earth was a boring , perfect place where evryone knew and read eachother’s intentions , and then one day , ‘god’ decided to have some action to break the monotony and started to make us les and less ‘enlightened’ , more and more gross , less and less intuitive , so we are left guessing , suspecting , loving , hating , worrying , jumping , cursing , blessing , till maybe one in a million chance someone would beocome ‘enlighetned’….
any disagreements ?
Hi Kavitha,
I am sure people of the west have always been coming to India for spiritual fulfillment and I’m sure they would greatly benefit from the naadi experience, and I’m sure connections run quite deep. Do you think knowing about your future/next life has helped you understand life better, and has it more of a believer in destiny?
Shekhar – It’s early morning in New York and a few hours back I came from a great presentation of ‘Virgin Comics’ at the prestigious ‘ABC Store’ in Manhattan and loved the characters ‘Devi’ and ‘Snake Woman’ that you have created.
Regards,
Himanshu – New York
yeah Ravi…it happens many times…and one must go on working…!!! thank you…kedar
Rudra…
no disagreements…
its true that God decided to make us less and less enlightened…to break the monotony so to speak…
the only thing is that…this GOD is within us and we make it happen… we make ourselves less and less enlightened…
reading others INTENTION is not the point… reading our own intentions is the point…
and as i always say ‘ MASS evolution is a myth…’
so no matter hard we try we cant come up with a theory which will explain everything…its an experience and hence only one on his own will reach…this is the reason in old days mouth to mouth teaching system was existing…no documentation…how can one document NOTHINGNESS… one can document the path not the experience…one has to become!!!…
Thank you kedar , i was wondering , are you a Buddhist or a nihilist ? is that why you speak of ‘nothingness’ so many times on your posts ?
because , nothingness does not make sense , it could be percieved as nothingness to the grosser sense. Like for example a small bacteria cell is ‘ invisible’ or nothing , but when we put a slide under the microscope and see it with a more powerful lens , we bigin to see ‘ something’.
dont you think , that what is nothingness is a nothingness – non existance of all things we are used to percieing ? If it was only nothingness then what is it that veda vyas , patanjali , Adi shankara , chaitanya ,RK paramahamsa , vivekananda were experiencing and apparently giving us hints of ‘ something that cant be described ‘ – it was never nothingness.
That was te philosophy of a sage called Soonga maharshi , a predecessor to Buddha . But even he was not an overt athiest – how can someeone be an athiest if he ‘believes’ in nothingness , his belief is alive , just that it is in nothingness.
any thoughts ?
Hi Kavitha,
My above question meant that has the Naadi experience helped you understand life better, and have you become more of believer in destiny? Is the aim of the ‘Pariharams’ to help improve the rest of this life and also give you better next life i.e. are they in some way affecting your destiny?
Regards,
Himanshu
i am not a Buddhist nor nihilist…
i am a spiritualist…what does it mean? for me its practicing meditation… now is my technique based on previous techniques told by master? yes !!! as far breathing is concerned i follow ancient eastern techniques…!!!
what saints were pointing at was NOTHINGNESS…
patanjali,paramhansa and adi shankaracharya…when hinted at’ something that cant be described’…they were talking about NOTHINGESS…
and why it cant be described because there is nothing to describe!!!…
now it is an experience…and one comes out of it and then realizes that he had the experience…so he can go back to the experience again and again…and comes back…but when he has to tell others the true meaning he cant describe the experience…because its unique…people will call him mad…so he aims at the root…
MIND is the root of all problems.. so he starts telling people to be honest, to follow the nature’s laws, to be humble and just…
1. those who believe blindly their life becomes prosperous because they are honest, they have fixed routine so they work more and earn a good living…but even then their problems are as they are even after living a very normal honest life…so they ask why all this honesty and goodness?…then he says ‘Now you are asking the right question? Why all this honesty? because after practicing honesty their NEEDS reduce to a great level…means what? the urge to collect materialistic wealth reduces a lot. after all what is wealth? it is another name of POWER!!! …why power? because one can exercise his power over other people for sex, good food, good drinks and good living…but after a point these basic things doesnt matter and one becomes so obsessed with power game that he keeps on collecting more wealth for more power and more power for more wealth…politicians are the best example…look at our politicians…99% of them are deformed-PHYSICALLY…but they will shout loudly in public speeches and will do anything for vote banks…POWER!… film stars, even greatest of the scientist, philosophers …all are HUNGRY for power in some or the other way…in case of scientists and artists the game is very subtle…but POWER game continues…
but there comes a point where everything starts appearing futile…and then the questioning starts…WHY? WHY? WHY?
the very urge to become better than some one else boils down to becoming better than ourselves…scientists and artists are much evolved than most of the people…they constantly try to express their inner anguish, inner turmoil through their art or theories…they try to define life…but the game is subtle…its their MIND that is working and their SOUL i.e. actual they suffer in the process…
then the stage comes where again the urge to ask WHY? comes and then the real journey starts…
at this stage the person starts realizing that SOMETHING inside me needs attention…this omething inside me ‘ thought is MIND (which has become tired of repetitiveness of life). and that something is nothing else but SOUL… up till now the person gets no experience of WHAT IT IS ? but the journey starts consciously…
so after living humble, honest life to much evolved mind set of self evolution to the beginning of INNER journey there is NO EXPERINCE…
after this stage the matrix slowly starts breaking and the very first experience is OUT OF BODY experience…
the person is either walking or sleeping or driving or meditating and suddenly he comes out of his own physical body!!!… one can actually SEE his own body…
this is a turning point…NOW he KNOWS by EXPERIENCE that WHAT I AM IS NOT WHAT MY MIND IS TELLING me!!!…
then the real journey starts to have the actual experience of REAL ME!!!
now there are several stages which you will find in Patanjali’s writings… no one else has mentioned so keenly all the stages of evolution of the SOUL…
and yes it is a gradual process…but mystics are seen to become enlightened in a flash…but they know that they have been walking the path for many lives…
now these stages and final experience- every one who talked after reaching, they have talked about How to live daily life honestly and to make it beautiful and then linking it directly to Salvation or Moksha or Nothingess or realization of GOD… very few have talked about inter mediate stages…because it is pointless to talk about these stages unless one is deep into meditation…
paramahansa, shankaracharya,patanjali all have said ‘ Bramha dyan ‘ and ‘Parabramha dyan’
Bramha dyan is consciously having OUT OF BODY experience and experiencing the process of birth and death… where as Parabramha dyan is a stage where even the one who had experience DISSOLVES!
Parabramha dyan is Nothingness!!!
2. those who dont believe blindly…
these are few people who are born as scientists or artists…so the process is similar even in their case!
3. so saints talk about How to live life naturally and make it prosperous…by doing this one’s EGO becomes weak hence the MIND and real questioning starts and then he, on his own starts walking on the path and gets his own experience!…
so as far as final realization is concerned, they say ‘ something that cant be described’
PS: in most of the blog entries by Shekhar, we are constantly discussing the same thing…
Glimpse of NAAD BRAMHA – ( NAAD BRAMHA is a divine sound which classical composers and singers try to attain to… OM ) –
you are alone in a room…deep in thoughts and suddenly electricity goes…for spur of a second you dont realize where you are!…MIND stops!…next time be cautious and observe what happens in that spur of a second…first you feel you are in a vaccum ..if you are conscious you will hear OM and then suddenly as if you are taking birth you will feel a jolt and will come to senses and will feel your body…
NAAD BRAMHA is a sound which is the first thing coming out of NOTHINGNESS… rather it is always there and Bramha dyani can hear the sound filling the whole!
and he becomes that sounds…he becomes OM and dissolves into Nothingess!…
take care…tata…kedar…
Kedar , Thank you for that. I do still think , you have surmised ‘ nothingness ‘ for ‘ that which cant be described ‘…what is your source of information ?
In my questioning , i have the reference of many quotes of adi shankara , paramahamsa and ramanuja.
they never talk of ‘ nothingness ‘.
has ‘nothingness’ as a source been your experience ? how can something come our of ‘nothing ‘? – that is my question.Even if it is ‘Naada’ – how can a vibration come out of nothingness? – if you have any sources of this philosophy , please let me know , so i can study it too.
cheers
Rudra
Rudra…
its in every scripture… its in every religious book… its in every song of a mystic…its in
every breath we take… i can not name any particular source of information…Bhagvad geeta, Kuran, bible…i can mention these three as i have read them…and bits of pieces here and there…no one has anything much to say…its all the same…in every sentence and every word all are saying the same thing…
So,
dont analyse…observe!
dont study…practice!
dont calculate…play with the numbers!
and then you will start seeing, feeling and sensing it every where… its in you , its in me…
the power of Nothingness( Zen call it positive emptiness…empty but positive…[positive as in not charge…positive as in power absolute] )
is such that it manifests itself in the form of matter.
the whole materialistic universe is its own EGO!
how matter comes out of NOTHINGNESS is an experience.
thats why i said one has to go deep into meditation to realize this. one has to consciously take birth and one has to die consciously…once anyone experiences the constant repetition of birth and death, he realizes the true nature of the universe!!!
in mediation, consciousness starts experiencing its true nature…the person doesnt use his MIND.
MIND has to die. MIND can not go beyond logic… MIND can not EXPERIENCE. MIND only believes.
no matter how hard one will try he will not experience the true endless source with MIND!!! how can MIND experience?
what do you mean by H2O ? does it mean WATER? or molecules of hydrogen and oxygen? then what are molecules…they are bunch of atoms…
what are atoms? made up of sub atomic particles…
what are they made up of? they are sub sub atomic particles…and suddenly every thing is one flow of ENERGY!…
where does that ENERGY come from?
this is all external information…
Meditate…and you become rock, you become tree, you become the thumping engine…then you become molecules…you become atom..you become sub atomic particle…you become ENERGY…and you are sucked towards the source…only to realize… NOTHINGNESS is the only truth…and you are back into ENERGY form… to atom …to molecule…to some wooden desk and back in your body…
Pure experience…is it fun to see voluptuous female bodies in a porno book or to fuck a real woman?
so its better to FUCK…!!!
i am meditating and having my share of experiences…
have you ever started something and stopped it?
say like when you were a teenager you decided to go to gym regularly, get up early, study for so many hours…things like that…or say a music class which you attended for a week and then left? …
Imagine, what if you would have continued for years and years?…
you must have achieved something in your science field…how you did it? you went in your lab early in the morning and came out late at night and again in the morning as fresh as newly born baby you were there…and after a year or two you were up to date with all the latest experiment in your field of expertise, all the existing scientific theories…you became scientist…you were born with the gift of conviction and not as a scientist…you continued… respect the quality and the work, not the person who achieved it… because the person who wants appreciation is the MIND…
same is the thing with Meditation…keep doing it since you are passionate about finding answers…only MEDITATION is the route… there is no other way we can reach to the source… ONLY and ONLY meditation… it is as simple as that…lift the dumbles and pump, only then muscles are going to grow…!!!
and its not a belief…logical mind will immediately agree with doing experiments…Meditation is nothing but a process of observing!…
either go for some proven technique…or find your own…
do you really think Newton got the idea of Gravity when apple fell on his head?
No…he felt the gravity…he sensed gravity…for the first time in his entire life he sensed something which is so common, so fundamental…he sensed it…so he was playing with his numbers, his theories…he just loved to be a scientist…and he stumbled upon gravity…
you said about observing amoeba through microscope…now next time when you are in your lab observe carefully…with awareness…consciously…when some thing new which could be age old proven technique but new for you comes across you in your experiments for the first time…what is your feeling? that is more important…the feel of joy..the feel of ecstasy…that is important…and not what you do!…well of course that doesnt mean you wink at your fellow female colleagues(against their wish of course)…by work i mean the work of you as a human being…you are moving your body, your mind if thinking…you are feeling something…you are already doing right things…now wont it be beautiful just to concentrate on joy, happiness, sorrow, pain…the incidences which make you feel all this…once you will start observing these things you will realize all this is controlled by MIND…which is pre conditioned…!…
so it is an experience…!… no theories are going to help…no source of information is going to help…lets burn Bhagvat Geeta, bible and Kuran and re write them all over again…by burning i mean, lets burn the conditioning and lets keep the message!…
just go and re arrange you desk at work…just feel, smell, touch those test tubes and computers…just take the breeze on your face when you are driving…solve the complex problems with joy…i mean isnt it fun to play with the words like entropy, flux, electric charge, magnetic force, calculus, triangles, lengths, heights, depths, trusses, tissues, genes and all…these are as beautiful words as any poet could write in a poem…science is beautiful…the MIND is corrupt…
now if you are dead tired of working…and you cant move a leg..but if you will get a call from NASA saying that they are accepting your papers and want a synopsis by the week end…you have only one day…you will realize your tiredness has gone away…or say you are tired and a beautiful lady which you wanted to bed for years suddenly calls and asks you out for a date…your tiredness is gone…vanished…there are many incidences like this…3 at night, dead tired and suddenly phone rings and your startled and you feel your breath for a second and you either talk or cut the phone and realize you are fresh…wow…what happens?
Body is never tired…Mind gets tired…how can a dead thing get tired? body is dead with out consciousness…! heart is pumping continuously…tomorrow if heart says…let me take a rest for a while i am bored of pumping all the time…give me a cuban cigar, shot of vodka and call the sexiest escort available in the town and then later in the morning i will think over whether to pump or not!…well…MIND gets tired not the body!…
IT engulfs everything…IT is everywhere…!!!
and MIND can not perceive this…Consciousness, the real you, can experience this by meditating…
EXPERIENCE, only that can be the true source of information…!!!
and we all are experiencing it already… we are IT!…we are born and we are dead with every breath… the only thing is to look at the experience Consciously…with awareness!…
take care…tata…kedar…
Thanks for that article Kavitha.Very facinating indeed and sounds like a must do for my next trip home..Just a quick random question..would i be able to film the leaf reading process?
I have done my Naadi readings not once but twice. Agastya Naadi and Shiva Naadi. Almost everything writen in the Naadi has come true. I wouldnt say 100% though. I have a reason for this too. Both my Naadi readings said that I would have a broken marrige at a certain age and then remarry at certain age. The fact is I have passed both the age groups and I am not married even once nor have been into any relationship.I shared this with the Naadi reader and on further reading and questioning we came to a point where we agreed that this particular karma is taken away by the presence of my Guru H.H.Sri Sri Ravi Shankarji. The Naadi reader said that a sadguru has the grace to take away our bad karmas and this is one clasic example. After this Naadi reading I have known two things for sure:1. That a presence of a sadguru can take away your bad karmas. 2. That this moment the present moment has enormous possibilites. Present moment is beyound the past and the future. No matter what is wrriten in the Naadi your present actions can definately change your future.
The thought I hate is life not being in my control – I keep questioning the fairness of this concept …if it is true – I would love to fight for my independence from the rules of karma or whatever…
Life is definitely under one’s control. We may make what we think are ‘wrong’ choice and later wish we had chosen differently. Naadi is an attempt to extrapolate based on past history of human race. Statistical extrapolation works by and large for many things on large samples – however it doesn’t mean that it will be correct or accurate. Given that anamolies can always be explained away (as one described in a comment above), there’s nothing to worry about.
I sometimes wonder about the ‘control’ aspect on life – it’s what we make it, but we go through so much pain when we discover much later that I should have done something different at that point in my life. So learn from that and the next time around think more about priorities..
this whole concept of life,its gensis,karma,past and present is so intriguing,but the real funda is that we humans r biological products who function as designed machine wud function and then like a machine when we start malfunctioning we conk off!”dil ko behlane ko galib ye khayal achha hai
kedar,
your comments are most intriguing as well as interesting..where do you come from..do you even realise you are channeling?
I am really amazed…..to read all these blogs…ooohhhhh…..So many well-learnt people!! I salute.
Many a times,I get confused with big big Spiritual Jorgans …I think that’s why There is “SahajYoga”….. Thats why Tulsidas wrote Ramcharitmanas after Great Ramayan.
There are two ways to get the “äbsolute truth” (the truth to know urself)- Gyan & Bhakti.
Is there any other way too???
Ain’t the spirituality simple????
Any take on this?
Love…
Akhilesh
yup, there is another way Akhilesh and that is live ur life truthfully,without offending urself and others.this whole circus of spirituality is nothing but an industry where everyone is making fool of everyone else.so friend!u r not the only one flabergasted by the jargon of spirituality.it is intelligent of u to question it at least
Wow..Kedar. Your post of Feb 27 is amazing. Brilliant.
Read quite a few postings on Nadi as well got some feedback from a few people who tried. Though, I was skeptical, I thought I should find out the truth myself and so I visited vaitheeswaran koil. My personal experience has been disappointing and the outcome was way below my expectations. I ended up spending Rs.12000 plus on travel, fees and accomodation and ended up with average results.
Took appointment to see sivasamy of Siva nadi kendra in V.koil. This man had humble beginnings 5 years ago but seems like he has commercialized his operations and nadi reading has become a commercial act. It took 3 bundles to search the relevant one in my case and in the mean time I must have cleared all the guesswork in the trial and error or question answer process of validation. So, one of the assistants of sivasamy finally confirms that he has found the leaf as it matches my background and criteria. I was still skeptical but somewhere excited maybe it could be true. I was asked to come after an hour while the guys prepare the readings. After the write-up I sat with the assistant to translate the readings into english. Listening to what I was hearing my skepticism grew and enthusiasm going down. It was such a broad and basic outline which a good astrologer can come up with maybe provide much more and better details than the nadi reader.
Upon arguing with the assistant I was told thats all the nadi provides even though I offered to pay higher fees for specific details. Based on this what I figured is that all these nadi readers are not worth the image and its just hype. I would not question the scripts but what the scripts provide are very generic and broad outlines of so and so type of human being. These may apply to some and may not apply to some, its as good as reading the weekly astrological predictions in sunday newspaper.
There are for sure no other detailed scripts available with these people who claim to provide finer details. As I figured the same bundles, the same script leafs will be used for several people and the question answer session or validation session is used to fit the person into the writings on the leaf. I arrived at this conclusion by finding out the very basic step performed in picking the bundles. The script bundle is identified using finger prints and there are 108 types of finger prints, the scripts are organized by finger print types..now 6 billion population and 108 finger print types…what else can one conclude.
I felt astrology is much more worthwhile effort than nadi atleast astrology/horoscopes provide the unique configuration of nature’s energy when a person is born, thus providing an unique way of predicting future.
Dear Kavitha/Shekhar/others
Recently I came across nadi shastra in one of the most unusual of places(in a crowded mumbai local train)where I read an advert by nadi readers based in vakola,santacruz(suburban mumbai),and most probably the same people where Navin went.
I read a lot about nadi before going there and was really excited about it,but as in navin’s case,they could not trace my nadi and asked to call back after 20 days.
Whether I get a call or not or in other words whether my time has come or not to ‘ know’ is to be seen….
Anyway,I have had some amzing experiences during my ‘quest’ to know future, which I want to share with everyone here…
I was born in a devout brahmin family with my childhood spent with purana’s, ramayan,mahabharat,’amar chitra katha’ and geeta press(gorakhpur) books….
Understandably I grew up to a boy immersed completly in faith.But,I also grew up to be a science student,a questioning rebel and then a doctor……
Years spent through college and close encounters with death and misery at hospital changed my way of thinking……
I started analysing every single belief I had,tried to rationalise every single ritual I had seen,tried to find scientific explanations for every story, every anecdote of parnormal,spiritual or miracles but could not…..
My inability to find answers to any of my questions shook my belief and I started questioning the existence of’God’ and his stories……
I think that was the time that God and destiny had planned for me to understand his presence,…..
One day my younger brother went missing,We searched for him for days and months,put up adverts in news papers,trains,buses and everywhere but could not trace him….
We sought help from astrologers,pundits etc. but everyone said only one thing that he is alive and will come back (just giving hope)….
During this search for my brother I went to see some ‘babaji’ or holy men in real remote places of country and saw some amazing feats by them which can be described only as miracles just like the ones which I had heard from people, though I never got a chance to have a hearing with any of them due to the large number of people in waiting before me for days…
Months passed and when we had lost all hope, my father came to know of someone who lived on a small hillock in one remote corner of desert in Rajasthan…..
He went to see him and to our surprise,that person not only told us about loction of my brother almost 6000 miles away but also that he will call us in two days and call he did…. back he came…..!
If that was not enough to believ in destiny,my life took an unexpcted,unplanned turn….
Things happened and somehow I changed careers after my stint as a doctor and got into media and then as an actor….
As I struggled to be an actor and establish myself, there were times when I really lost hope and started questioning my chosen path…..
I started looking for directions and then went on a massive ‘look for future’ search to astrologers,tarot card readers ,face readers,palmists ,numerologists and clairvoyants….
I met all sorts of them, some conmen, some plain stupid, some just ‘one book’ amateur astrologers and very few real sounding ones who incidentally showed me a very bleak picture,suggested that I am paying for my ‘Karma’ from past and that I had to just chug along till The life smiles upon me,which It will evetually (Hope is the biggest weapon for a struggling fighter )……
Couple of years have passed since then, lots of things have happened since then and Life has moved on…
I have almost completed the suggested ‘Bad ‘ time and entering the suggested ‘Good’ time now….
What happened as a search for future by meeting ‘fortune tellers’ has becme an unusual hobby ….. a desire to understand the truth , the logic behind these alluring mystic methods of fortune-tellers and that hobby only took me to nadi centre…..
What I want to say is that…….
Now I do not even need a ‘fortune teller’ because I have come to understand ….
Yes, there is a predstined path,a future written by someone in some scroll somewhere in this universe and we are just like the chracters of this huge novel whose life keeps unfolding as the pages are turned ….
Otherwise,Why would I start as a devout pundit and then loose faith, why would My brother get lost and then come back and the incident will leave me with so many amazing experiences and a renewed faith….
Why would a geeky,studious boy whose only dream was to get a Nobel prize 🙂 for reasearch would transform into a a completely different person, a performer,ramp walker,an actor…
How would I explain that at the age of 24,I dscovered that I wanted to be an actor… That I wanted to write..that I wanted to paint…
And at a time when everythig was going great for me….
Why would I suddeny choose to embark upon a journey so difficult,so uncertain,so tortuous riddled with so many hurdles just for a distant dream …….
Leaving a brillinat academic career, a life of respect and wealth,a life of a glorious career , beautiful wife and loads of dowry 🙂 ( I am vehemently opposed to the thought, but doctors bring really top the list for groom seekers in India) …..
All this for …… being an actor….. !
Why ?……
Answer to all my questions is …… that I was destined for it….
I was destined to witness life and death from close quarters befor I could get onto a new journey ….to portray the same emotions of life and death…. may be that was the purpose…..
And,whether its time to ‘know ‘ my future or not……
One thing is certain that we all have something in design for us… customised to fit in us and our aspirations…..
Key is to live life as if its a big mystery novel and anticipating a surprise with every passing page instead of worrying about the future….
Enjoy ! Your future will happen to you, no matter what you do……. so why not just live the present…….:)
May be……I already ‘Know’ my future… My Nadi …….
Maanuv
Maanuv, thank you for sharing your story with us in such a frank and beautiful way. I am tempted to put this out as a guest column on the main blog – but need your permission do that. I think people our community will be really fascinated by, and will learn from your experience, shekhar
Dear Shekhar,
I opened the web page just now and saw your reply, a nice surprise !
If you think that my story could be fascinating for others then please do as you wish, It would be great pleasure to have my story on your blog .
Thanks and regards
Maanuv
Hi Shekhar,
I thibk my time has come to go and visit this place in chennai , as i was trying to find out the info on this thalapatras since couple of months , came to know abt ur experience through this site , thank you and could you let me know the exact place and address in chennai.
i would be awaiting for your reply,
regards
revathi
Maanuv,your account of feelings about astrology, life, destiny etc seem to be very accurate as well
as practical.I wanted your suggestions about consulting some body for these issues as well
wish to start myself study on such
topics in same spirit as one studies other disciplines of knowledge. My background is Ph.D
in Physics who is currently pursuing research work
on some topics of material science.
you guys better be aware of this naadi business, don’t mean to discourage you, but i’ve been to many of these readers, 90% were fake, especially poosamutthu in V. Koil..but at the time, i thought A. Sivasamy in V. Koil was more authentic than others..don’t go to these clowns in mumbai, pune, sion, etc. many of them use permutation/combination to find out facts about you, and will cook up something and give it back to you.
I wanted to know abt this
I found the following yahoo group handy to know more about naadi astrology predictions. People here generally chat about their experinces with naadi predictions and naadi astrologers. The guy who has written book on naadi predictions is a member of this forum. Quite a good place to hang out if you are curious about naadi predictions.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naadiastrology
Hi
I went to the Naadi Shastri in Jipur ..and must say that I was not only bewildered but truly believed it . Its not about faith alone ..its also about the scientific logic that follows the Methodology . Its starnge that we trust Nasa so much in terms of planteary movements but when it comes to trusting our own treasures , we have hitches in that . I am not saying this because I got a good reading..in fact I too had to bear certain disappointing facts..but why i am saying this is because a naadi shastri who does not even know you or anything abt your background cannot tell in detail so much about your current or past life…So cheers !! and trust not only by faith but by scientific realities too!!!
Dear Friends
We would like to participate in the forum of discussion about Nadijosiyam. Nadijosiyam has become part of our life as its predictions turning to be true is very crucial for us and my child’s future. We have some concerns on how true the future predictions would be and would like your input.
We are four of us in our family and live in Dubai. My name is Gayathri, my husband is Vasan and my son is Punidh who is 5 years old and daughter 1 ˝ years. We have seen nadijosiyam for me in 1996 and for my husband in 1997. I was amazed at the findings. Especially, my thirumana gandam exactly explained my prospective husband. They had told that there would be several problems in my life and have to do the shanthi deekshai etc., which we did not do then.
In 2003, when my son was around1 ˝ years old we had very shocking news that my son was ‘Autistic’ i.e. he had development delays (serious problems in communication, interaction, language, socialization with attention deficit and hyperactivity) which is life-long and he will be a special person. In medical science as of now there is no proven cure for Autism, though, with proper behaviourial therapy the condition of the child can improve. The cause of ‘Autism” is still unknown though some Scientists feel that it is purely genetical. We were shocked by this news and our child’s future was a big question mark before us.
In May 2004 we had my “Kuzhanthai Kandam” read together with the “shanthi and deekshai” kandams. We were surprised by the findings of the kuzhanthai kandam. It was written that because of my past deeds I have to suffer specially in relation to my family and children, though my career and office life will be good. It was written that I will have 2 children, very smart and successful and I will have a peaceful and contented life. They said that all these good things in my life are possible only if I do the pariharams. They had written that my first child would have certain deficiencies when young and have the threat of living with it. But with pariharams and wearing the “thayathu” given after the completion of the pariharams the condition is said to slowly improve and will bring along good fortunes in life with his growth. They had also said that I will have one more girl child and she will be born in C section. I had a girl child in 2006 in C section though I had a normal delivery for my first son.
We completed majority of the pariharams in 2005. My son is very marginally improving though not worth mentioning. In January 2007 I thought of finding the leaf of my son and sent his thumb impression through my sister. They had given details only about his first 12 years of life and had said that at 12 years he should come again and known his future and that it doesn’t mean that his life is only till he is 12 years. The findings of his nadi were also exactly the same as written in my “Kuzhanthai Kandam”. They have said that between 5 and 12 years he will improve a lot and will excel in one field. They have also said that the 12 years is marked as an identity for him to be cured completely from all his disabilities.
We were extremely happy and we did all the pariharams as told and my son is now wearing the thayathu and the yendhram given to us is kept in the pooja place. My life now revolves around the nadi findings and I truly believe and wish that whatever is written in that comes true. I have no other hopes in life about my son’s future.
My son is now 5 years old and is not yet verbal. He has little receptive language and is hyperactive with less attention level. His socializing and non verbal communication skills are still poor. But he can show affection, recognize his near/dear ones and has in general improved little. I have left my job now and as I am fully trained to handle him, will be teaching him full time. In simple words he is getting best intervention and of course gets lots of love and affection from us.
What is remarkable in our whole experience with nadi josiyam is that the predictions are that we would certainly go through this phase. It also holds that this phase of depression for us as parents is said to continue for some time till we have a turning point from whereon he gradully climbs the development scale and reaches considerable success in life through achievements in education and special skills. We also remember the interpreter mentioning in the casette that he will have a main stream education in which he will win accolades and appreciations. A lot of other details were provided for the other child also. But we are surprised as to how this sort of a success and achievement is possible for our child who is having developmental troubles.
Having explained the above there are the basic doubt in our mind for which we seek clarification:
We have seen other critics mention that only 50% of the future predictions in this nadijosiyam come true and this concept of 50% success ratio is a bit confusing for us. For illustration if 10 aspects of a persons’s future are predicted does it mean that only 5 of them will come true and the rest 5 will not happen at all or does it mean that all the 10 will happen but only with 50% accuracy. The explanation and interpretation of the above would mean a lot to us and would request you to provide a clear response.
Thanks in anticipation, kindly share your personal positive experience.
Gayathri & Vasan
Dear Friends
We would like to participate in the forum of discussion about Nadijosiyam. Nadijosiyam has become part of our life as its predictions turning to be true is very crucial for us and my child’s future. We have some concerns on how true the future predictions would be and would like your input.
We are four of us in our family and live in Dubai. My name is Gayathri, my husband is Vasan and my son is Punidh who is 5 years old and daughter 1 ˝ years. We have seen nadijosiyam for me in 1996 and for my husband in 1997. I was amazed at the findings. Especially, my thirumana gandam exactly explained my prospective husband. They had told that there would be several problems in my life and have to do the shanthi deekshai etc., which we did not do then.
In 2003, when my son was around1 ˝ years old we had very shocking news that my son was ‘Autistic’ i.e. he had development delays (serious problems in communication, interaction, language, socialization with attention deficit and hyperactivity) which is life-long and he will be a special person. In medical science as of now there is no proven cure for Autism, though, with proper behaviourial therapy the condition of the child can improve. The cause of ‘Autism” is still unknown though some Scientists feel that it is purely genetical. We were shocked by this news and our child’s future was a big question mark before us.
In May 2004 we had my “Kuzhanthai Kandam” read together with the “shanthi and deekshai” kandams. We were surprised by the findings of the kuzhanthai kandam. It was written that because of my past deeds I have to suffer specially in relation to my family and children, though my career and office life will be good. It was written that I will have 2 children, very smart and successful and I will have a peaceful and contented life. They said that all these good things in my life are possible only if I do the pariharams. They had written that my first child would have certain deficiencies when young and have the threat of living with it. But with pariharams and wearing the “thayathu” given after the completion of the pariharams the condition is said to slowly improve and will bring along good fortunes in life with his growth. They had also said that I will have one more girl child and she will be born in C section. I had a girl child in 2006 in C section though I had a normal delivery for my first son.
We completed majority of the pariharams in 2005. My son is very marginally improving though not worth mentioning. In January 2007 I thought of finding the leaf of my son and sent his thumb impression through my sister. They had given details only about his first 12 years of life and had said that at 12 years he should come again and known his future and that it doesn’t mean that his life is only till he is 12 years. The findings of his nadi were also exactly the same as written in my “Kuzhanthai Kandam”. They have said that between 5 and 12 years he will improve a lot and will excel in one field. They have also said that the 12 years is marked as an identity for him to be cured completely from all his disabilities.
We were extremely happy and we did all the pariharams as told and my son is now wearing the thayathu and the yendhram given to us is kept in the pooja place. My life now revolves around the nadi findings and I truly believe and wish that whatever is written in that comes true. I have no other hopes in life about my son’s future.
My son is now 5 years old and is not yet verbal. He has little receptive language and is hyperactive with less attention level. His socializing and non verbal communication skills are still poor. But he can show affection, recognize his near/dear ones and has in general improved little. I have left my job now and as I am fully trained to handle him, will be teaching him full time. In simple words he is getting best intervention and of course gets lots of love and affection from us.
What is remarkable in our whole experience with nadi josiyam is that the predictions are that we would certainly go through this phase. It also holds that this phase of depression for us as parents is said to continue for some time till we have a turning point from whereon he gradully climbs the development scale and reaches considerable success in life through achievements in education and special skills. We also remember the interpreter mentioning in the casette that he will have a main stream education in which he will win accolades and appreciations. A lot of other details were provided for the other child also. But we are surprised as to how this sort of a success and achievement is possible for our child who is having developmental troubles.
Having explained the above there are the basic doubt in our mind for which we seek clarification:
We have seen other critics mention that only 50% of the future predictions in this nadijosiyam come true and this concept of 50% success ratio is a bit confusing for us. For illustration if 10 aspects of a persons’s future are predicted does it mean that only 5 of them will come true and the rest 5 will not happen at all or does it mean that all the 10 will happen but only with 50% accuracy. The explanation and interpretation of the above would mean a lot to us and would request you to provide a clear response.
Thanks in anticipation, kindly share your personal positive experience.
Gayathri & Vasan
Dear Friends
We would like to participate in the forum of discussion about Nadijosiyam. Nadijosiyam has become part of our life as its predictions turning to be true is very crucial for us and my child’s future. We have some concerns on how true the future predictions would be and would like your input.
We are four of us in our family and live in Dubai. My name is Gayathri, my husband is Vasan and my son is Punidh who is 5 years old and daughter 1 ˝ years. We have seen nadijosiyam for me in 1996 and for my husband in 1997. I was amazed at the findings. Especially, my thirumana gandam exactly explained my prospective husband. They had told that there would be several problems in my life and have to do the shanthi deekshai etc., which we did not do then.
In 2003, when my son was around1 ˝ years old we had very shocking news that my son was ‘Autistic’ i.e. he had development delays (serious problems in communication, interaction, language, socialization with attention deficit and hyperactivity) which is life-long and he will be a special person. In medical science as of now there is no proven cure for Autism, though, with proper behaviourial therapy the condition of the child can improve. The cause of ‘Autism” is still unknown though some Scientists feel that it is purely genetical. We were shocked by this news and our child’s future was a big question mark before us.
In May 2004 we had my “Kuzhanthai Kandam” read together with the “shanthi and deekshai” kandams. We were surprised by the findings of the kuzhanthai kandam. It was written that because of my past deeds I have to suffer specially in relation to my family and children, though my career and office life will be good. It was written that I will have 2 children, very smart and successful and I will have a peaceful and contented life. They said that all these good things in my life are possible only if I do the pariharams. They had written that my first child would have certain deficiencies when young and have the threat of living with it. But with pariharams and wearing the “thayathu” given after the completion of the pariharams the condition is said to slowly improve and will bring along good fortunes in life with his growth. They had also said that I will have one more girl child and she will be born in C section. I had a girl child in 2006 in C section though I had a normal delivery for my first son.
We completed majority of the pariharams in 2005. My son is very marginally improving though not worth mentioning. In January 2007 I thought of finding the leaf of my son and sent his thumb impression through my sister. They had given details only about his first 12 years of life and had said that at 12 years he should come again and known his future and that it doesn’t mean that his life is only till he is 12 years. The findings of his nadi were also exactly the same as written in my “Kuzhanthai Kandam”. They have said that between 5 and 12 years he will improve a lot and will excel in one field. They have also said that the 12 years is marked as an identity for him to be cured completely from all his disabilities.
We were extremely happy and we did all the pariharams as told and my son is now wearing the thayathu and the yendhram given to us is kept in the pooja place. My life now revolves around the nadi findings and I truly believe and wish that whatever is written in that comes true. I have no other hopes in life about my son’s future.
My son is now 5 years old and is not yet verbal. He has little receptive language and is hyperactive with less attention level. His socializing and non verbal communication skills are still poor. But he can show affection, recognize his near/dear ones and has in general improved little. I have left my job now and as I am fully trained to handle him, will be teaching him full time. In simple words he is getting best intervention and of course gets lots of love and affection from us.
What is remarkable in our whole experience with nadi josiyam is that the predictions are that we would certainly go through this phase. It also holds that this phase of depression for us as parents is said to continue for some time till we have a turning point from whereon he gradully climbs the development scale and reaches considerable success in life through achievements in education and special skills. We also remember the interpreter mentioning in the casette that he will have a main stream education in which he will win accolades and appreciations. A lot of other details were provided for the other child also. But we are surprised as to how this sort of a success and achievement is possible for our child who is having developmental troubles.
Having explained the above there are the basic doubt in our mind for which we seek clarification:
We have seen other critics mention that only 50% of the future predictions in this nadijosiyam come true and this concept of 50% success ratio is a bit confusing for us. For illustration if 10 aspects of a persons’s future are predicted does it mean that only 5 of them will come true and the rest 5 will not happen at all or does it mean that all the 10 will happen but only with 50% accuracy. The explanation and interpretation of the above would mean a lot to us and would request you to provide a clear response.
Thanks in anticipation, kindly share your personal positive experience.
Gayathri & Vasan