Our Mythic lives, or Mundane lives ?

Between the Mythic and the Mandane. Which plane of existence do we really exist in ? Is every breath really an intake of the energies of the cosmos, the prana of the universe in each breath ? Or is it the mere intake of essential oxygen to feed our red blood corpuscles. Does every thought project itself into the universe and live there and change the Universe forever ? Is every thought a projection of our lives past preasent and future, of Karma ?


Does every thought belong to the eternal matrix of the Universe or is it merely a chemical synaptic result of electronoc processes in my mind.
Do you connect with me when I yearn for you ? Or do I have to pick up the cell phone. Is my yearning for you a composite of prior and future experiences ? Is every action part of a deeper couldron of the churning of the universe ?
Is every thought, every action, every tinge of pain, every tear of joy a part of the ‘Manthan’, the churning of the whole universe ? Is love between two people a part of that eternal churning
Or is it my imagination, unable to deal with the universe broken up into little bits, pulled from one broken bit to another, merely indulging in the fantasy of Mythicism.
I am slipping into the Mythic. I am leaving the Mundane. Am I slipping into fantasy and saying goodbye to reality ? or am I discovering true reality ?
Shekhar

13 Responses to “Our Mythic lives, or Mundane lives ?”

  1. kedar says:

    dude…
    an interesting story i once read…
    Zen monk saw a dream that is a butterfly. he was disturb the next day. his disciple sensed it and asked what the matter is? Zen monk said ‘ i saw the dream of me being a butterfly…’ disciple ‘ so what is the problem? ‘
    monk ‘ what if butterfly at this moment is seeing a dream of being me? what is real? ‘
    social life(even your family is social life), personal life, fantasies, dreams…everything is real and NOTHINGNESS is a TRUTH. Accepting everything and dissolving is the path!
    best wishes…take care…tata…kedar…

  2. Riya says:

    Looking back have always found that during certain times/moments when I needed my loved ones the most my phone did ring and my parents have always said that either of them felt that ‘strange’ pull!(they call it premonition).
    It has happened many a times that it may not be a coincidence and under different circumstances.
    Thousands of miles apart, yet we are connected. Years ago found this very funny and infact made a joke out of it, not any more though ..
    Is the above relevant to your post or am I going off in a tangent….. would you call this a myth or fantasy or a plain fact-WYSIWYG.

  3. heather says:

    Dear Shekhar
    Why not both?
    love, Heath

  4. shekhar says:

    heather, because one is an addiction, a definition, and the other a constant state of exploration. shekhar

  5. GJ says:

    when you don’t speak to me
    I cant write
    I stop thinking
    I stop knowing.
    It’s like you cut off some flow
    And teh river has run dry.are you there?
    I need to know
    If you’re not
    I will lie here, dry,
    baking in the sun
    Till your glacier melts
    And you fill me again with
    Cold,c rystal clear waters of your thought

  6. heather says:

    Dear Shekhar
    Though one may be the eternal reality, the other, even though it is a dream spun out from our incompleteness, is part of the eternal reality, as is everything. Are not both one then? Isn’t the incompleteness just the faultiness of our seeing?
    love, Heath

  7. heather says:

    Dear Shekhar
    Being within that apparent duality, for me: The love is part of the churning; the churning that involves us has enough specificity to that we fell in love with each other, and not with everyone around us; that when one of us yearns, the other often connects; that often the yearning and connection is expressed as a pair of actions (like my dialing him on my phone, and his taking his phone from his pocket); that these actions and yearning are expressions of the unviverse churning universally and specifically for us; that the yearning is a composite of our past lives, this life, and our future, which have been and are and will be part of the universe. Since I can’t make this stuff happen on my own, and it does happen, I assume it is true reality. Yet so is the mundane. They just seem to be different points of view. They are different but not contradictory.
    That’s why I said both. I wasn’t being rhetorical — it came from my interpretation of my own experiences.
    There is a fascinating paper by David Chalmers called “Perception and the Fall From Eden” here — http://consc.net/papers.html — Chalmers is a consciousness philosopher whose work has kidnapped my interest from most other things recently.
    lov, Heath

  8. Neeta says:

    Myth is? being imaginative, losing oneself in a trip of fancy, acting subconsciously.
    Mundane requires discipline, is task-oriented but needn’t be boring.
    Like mountains and valleys, myth and mundane.
    Otherwise it is constantly rarified or constantly dense.

  9. Rudra says:

    Shekhar, thank you for the many wonderful questions you raised . sharing some thoughts , being categorical for the sake of debate:
    ——————————————-
    Which plane of existence do we really exist in ?
    – The material plane as long as we are bodies i suppose. we have other potentialities too.
    Is every breath really an intake of the energies of the cosmos, the prana of the universe in each breath ? Or is it the mere intake of essential oxygen to feed our red blood corpuscles ?
    – Prana is not breath. Prana is the cause , breath is the effect. it is actually a very difficult thing to discern.
    Does every thought project itself into the universe and live there and change the Universe forever ?
    – It can potentially. Not every thought can though. we dont even know how ‘thought’ happens.
    Is every thought a projection of our lives past preasent and future, of Karma ?
    – Of course , if you look at it that way. We dont know the rules of the ‘game’ yet. we are players though , thats the whole bloody problem.
    Does every thought belong to the eternal matrix of the Universe or is it merely a chemical synaptic result of electronoc processes in my mind?
    – Thought is more than chemical . both are valid ,both are true. not sure though , if the universe is eternal .
    Do you connect with me when I yearn for you ? Or do I have to pick up the cell phone. Is my yearning for you a composite of prior and future experiences ?
    – i guess , each of us is already a cell phone. electricity and magnetism are umbilically related.
    Is every action part of a deeper couldron of the churning of the universe ?
    – why do we think someone out there is even interested in our actions ? we are all part of the universe and so are our actions.
    Is every thought, every action, every tinge of pain, every tear of joy a part of the ‘Manthan’, the churning of the whole universe ?
    – what is ‘ whole’ universe ? we are still frogs in the well limited by the speed of light. churning is for the ego , not the universe.
    Is love between two people a part of that eternal churning?
    – for their two egos alone , unless their love has expanded into a love for the universe as well.
    Or is it my imagination, unable to deal with the universe broken up into little bits, pulled from one broken bit to another, merely indulging in the fantasy of Mythicism ?
    – what is reality , for us not to be mythic ? all things mundane were once on the drawing board of mythicism.
    I am slipping into the Mythic. I am leaving the Mundane. Am I slipping into fantasy and saying goodbye to reality ? or am I discovering true reality ?
    – reality is the fantasy we live by or have inherited. ‘true reality’ sounds like ‘ blind faith ‘. why use two adjectives for the same noun ??

  10. Rudra says:

    Shekhar, thank you for the many wonderful questions you raised . sharing some thoughts , being categorical for the sake of debate:
    ——————————————-
    Which plane of existence do we really exist in ?
    – The material plane as long as we are bodies i suppose. we have other potentialities too.
    Is every breath really an intake of the energies of the cosmos, the prana of the universe in each breath ? Or is it the mere intake of essential oxygen to feed our red blood corpuscles ?
    – Prana is not breath. Prana is the cause , breath is the effect. it is actually a very difficult thing to discern.
    Does every thought project itself into the universe and live there and change the Universe forever ?
    – It can potentially. Not every thought can though. we dont even know how ‘thought’ happens.
    Is every thought a projection of our lives past preasent and future, of Karma ?
    – Of course , if you look at it that way. We dont know the rules of the ‘game’ yet. we are players though , thats the whole bloody problem.
    Does every thought belong to the eternal matrix of the Universe or is it merely a chemical synaptic result of electronoc processes in my mind?
    – Thought is more than chemical . both are valid ,both are true. not sure though , if the universe is eternal .
    Do you connect with me when I yearn for you ? Or do I have to pick up the cell phone. Is my yearning for you a composite of prior and future experiences ?
    – i guess , each of us is already a cell phone. electricity and magnetism are umbilically related.
    Is every action part of a deeper couldron of the churning of the universe ?
    – why do we think someone out there is even interested in our actions ? we are all part of the universe and so are our actions.
    Is every thought, every action, every tinge of pain, every tear of joy a part of the ‘Manthan’, the churning of the whole universe ?
    – what is ‘ whole’ universe ? we are still frogs in the well limited by the speed of light. churning is for the ego , not the universe.
    Is love between two people a part of that eternal churning?
    – for their two egos alone , unless their love has expanded into a love for the universe as well.
    Or is it my imagination, unable to deal with the universe broken up into little bits, pulled from one broken bit to another, merely indulging in the fantasy of Mythicism ?
    – what is reality , for us not to be mythic ? all things mundane were once on the drawing board of mythicism.
    I am slipping into the Mythic. I am leaving the Mundane. Am I slipping into fantasy and saying goodbye to reality ? or am I discovering true reality ?
    – reality is the fantasy we live by or have inherited. ‘true reality’ sounds like ‘ blind faith ‘. why use two adjectives for the same noun ??

  11. piyali says:

    “no answer” could also be an answer. and someone could even be thankful for that.
    I understand… I think about it…and I understand more , maybe a little more than more. I can empathize with something that i actually have no clue about.
    In that moment of understanding, i connect …i connect at my level . and i guess that is all.
    is this how it happens?
    an answer to this would solve the mystery for me?
    the mystery of the question that u have asked?—
    “Is every action part of a deeper couldron of the churning of the universe ?”

  12. A.K. Bhattacharyya says:

    Respected Shekhar Ji,
    In fact, I’don’t have any belief in the supernatural world. may be my age, till date did not allow me to enter in this thining process, but life is a subject of searching truth. My observation in this regard is as under:
    Truth is truth. There is not a historical truth and a scientific truth and a workman’s truth and a child’s truth. In fact we should realize that in a certain sense there is no differentiation. This differentiation may be for particular purposes or in particular conditions an answer may satisfy someone as being true, which to another person or to a person in other circumstances would appear to be quite untrue. It is just because of that we have been given an answer that is relevant to a particular set of circumstances, but which no one would claim to be the whole truth on the subject. To answer fully even the simplest questions is an infinite task.
    It is also true that the historian is out after truth; so is the scientist in every branch of science; so is the ordinary work-man in his conversation with his fellows; so is the child in the unending questions which he puts to his elders.
    In fact we cannot distinguish the cause from the condition. As a result we are always mistaking and misnaming certain things. The truth is not to be reached by piecing together bits of truth. A wise man- a true “lover of wisdom”, will never attempt to belittle the work of the empirical scientist. He will always regard him as an ally. A scientist has artificially isolated one aspect of reality for study and investigation. He is even basically concerned with the ‘How’ and not the ‘Why’ and that however important may be the principles which he discovers, they are not the whole of truth and they may not be used without arduous examination and criticism in the building of structure of truth. The truth is that the scientist is not usually a student of nature at all in the full meaning of the world. He is not concerned with nature as a whole, but with one phase or with few phases of it. But in case of searching the nature as a whole, which is more ambitious, there is the possibility of a more ignominious failure.
    However, it will not be the right thing to ignore the science as well as not to try to search the whole truth. It is a continuous process by which we can touch the ultimate truth, at least we can try to do so. After all the greatest of our living scientists are fully aware that no particular science can give us “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth.”
    It is a common fact with all human beings including scientists that they have realized the limitation of their particular quest and the need of wider horizons. The word “TRUTH”, thus, is a realistic word having huge mystery in it, makes man confused and give an impression of unrealistic sense. But again truth is truth. We should not compromise truth with anything, otherwise, we will place ourselves into the deep sea of mystery of ignorance which will be much more painful than the fruits of failure in questing the truth, the whole truth and nothing but truth.
    I’ll be happy if you go through it share your views with me.
    A.K. Bhattacharyya
    Directorate of Advertising
    And Visual Publicity
    Soochna Bhawan
    New Delhi-110003

  13. shekhar says:

    dear rm bhattacharya, when our perception of the universe that surrounds us is broken into parts the truth will always be an interpretation. All observation is an interpretation, and as I have argued, our mind can only exist through observation and analysis. And if all ananlysis and observation is interpretational, then truth must always be an interpretation, and not absolute.
    The search for the absolute truth is snonymous with the search for the self. And the problem with interpreation of absolute truth is that we want to define it “This is the Truth”. But in reality all the universe is a potential and is defined only when you observe ans interpret. So what can be the absolute truth but an fuid indefinable questioning ? shekhar

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